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Wednesday Lazy Linking

Here's a pretty old post from the blog archives of Geekery Today; it was written about 15 years ago, in 2009, on the World Wide Web.


  • Libertarians Against Property Rights and Freedom of Association. (Cont’d.) Vin Suprynowicz Vs. Rad Geek on so-called illegal immigration. In which I argue keep your borders off my property and Suprynowicz argues that a libertarian community ought to have the government constitutionally policing people’s political views. Democracy, you know.

News and Comment.



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  1. freeman

    Great job handling Vin’s collectivist lapse. One problem though – your most recent, and best, comment there seems to have disappeared.

  2. Aster

    re: Basher-Statism in Virginia prisons.

    Thank you. I do not know how to convey how personal my thanks are here. I remember that hideous world. I deeply appreciate seeing a left-libertarian taking the side of the victims instead of knowingly enabling precisely the bent worldview of those prison guards.

    If anyone ever wishes to understand why I have and can show such rage: there it is. I grew up in that kind of culture and was trapped in it for the first 18 years of my life- in some ways, for the first 25 years. When I see cultural relativists turning a blind eye to this evil and excusing it on every possible grounds, I see the blood, the broken spirits, the snide superiority of those who would humiliate love and authenticity and make a moral virtue of their petty ignorance. I got out of that world, but it took me three decades to wrench the last of my body and soul entirely from their reach, and even then I had to do it at irrevocable spiritual cost.

    And today libertarians are, as often as not, knowing aiding and abetting this thing. I became a radical because I couldn’t live in a world like this and because I refuse to believe that their kind of world is the only possible one- which, in this case, it demonstrably isn’t in better places outside of their Christian collectivist hellholes. But I came to find that radicalism- and find that there isn’t a corner in the intellectual world where people don’t smile and nod and offer blithe evasions in defense of this torture, all in the service of their own precious concessions in their own souls to absurd traditional irrationalisms that ruin human lives.

    I remember how my father tortured my mother, and watched as the whole world turned its back, pretended not to see, and gave every sanction to an oppressor because he was lord of his own dark castle, because they didn’t want to ‘interfere‘ and get ‘involved’. And today much of our movement plays the same game, and who confronts? Who speaks up? Who raises the power of their voice?

    What Russia was to Ayn Rand, Virginia is to me. Rand didn’t become a radical to hear irresponsible and literati clueless hippies painting pretty pictures of Soviet totalitarianism. And I didn’t become a radical to listen to evaders paint Christianist patriarchy and village fascism as ‘just the way it is’ or ‘just another culture’.

    WHEN DOES THIS END? When will people who respect reality enough to know the difference confront these apologies for evil? Only those with the training, the stature, and the privilege have the power to say anything and have anyone listen. Stand.

    Thank, you, Charles. Perhaps the answer to ‘who speaks up?’ is: ‘well, here’s one’.

  3. Bob Kaercher

    I never realized Suprynowicz was such a jerk. I guess I just never paid that much attention to him before.

    I rarely find myself supporting the existence or activities of the FBI, but I fail to see how it’s despicably ‘collectivist’ for them to try to catch and punish runaway rapists, murderers, and stickup men.

    “Illegal” immigrants are as a general rule, he implies here, the equivalent of “runaway rapists, murderers, and stickup men.” Now that’s some thoughtful analysis.

    Is Freeman right? Did he delete your most recent comment?

  4. Marja Erwin

    A lot of people say that these struggles aren’t important, or that they have nothing to do with the struggle against the state, but these are matters of life or death.

  5. Rad Geek


    Thanks. Viewing the page from my frame of reference reveals that the comment has been dropped into the moderation queue, for whatever reason. Well, whatever comes of it, the content is mirrored at http://elsewhere.radgeek.com/.

  6. Rad Geek


    Well, they violated a perfectly constitutional law. And, as everyone knows, if the Constitution says Jump, anybody who doesn’t shout How high, sir?! is a goddamned looter socialist.

  7. Black Bloke

    What is a constitutional immigration law? I see rules for naturalization in there, but immigration?

    • Rad Geek

      Well, Article I, Section 9 provides that “The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.” Famously, the intention had primarily to do with the trans-Atlantic slave trade, but the literal text would seem to allow for Congress to pass general immigration laws.

      Of course, my own view is that the fact that such a system as we have could be perfectly constitutional is as good an argument as you could like that the Constitution is a covenant with Death and an agreement with Hell.

  8. Mark Herpel

    “Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.” -Etienne de La Boétie. The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude. 1552.

  9. Roderick T. Long

    For what it’s worth (admittedly not much, given Spooner’s absence from the Supreme Court), you could derive a ban on interference with free migration from the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause (which applies to persons, not merely citizens).

  10. Victoria

    Aster, re: basher-statists in Virginia prisons. I’m very much with you on this one. The gratuitous sadism in the language of those guards is appalling…..and takes me back to some of my own worst experiences under that southern culture.

    More later; busy day ahead.


  11. freeman

    Hmmm… two days later, and Charles’s comment still hasn’t been approved by Vin, although one new comment has appeared by someone else. I’m of the opinion that Vin censored the comment. How cowardly!

  12. Marja Erwin

    I don’t like pushing the same issues again and again. A trans activist in New York was outed. She received death threats. Now she has been gang-raped and buried alive. She dug her way out of her grave before dying of her injuries.

    via Bilerico: http://www.bilerico.com/2009/06/anotherbrutalmurder.php

  13. Soviet Onion

    Jeeze, that’s just so cruel it almost sounds unreal.

  14. Marja Erwin

    Another link got mixed up:

    http://www.bilerico.com/2009/06/another UNDERSCORE brutal UNDERSCORE murder.php

    The underscores are so common in urls, that it’s insane that the software here reads them as text formatting.

  15. Life, Love, and Liberty

    Imagine this done on a systematic scale by the U.S. government…


    The Bush admin. was trying to “privatize” social services in the U.S. through contraction out to Christianist groups. Does anyone know of sites documenting the effects on LGBT people?

  16. Marja Erwin

    There have been some questions about the story I’ve linked above. I’m still awaiting more information. Most of the questions have focused on the lack of mainstream media coverage; however, one cannot expect coverage, or read much into its absence.

  17. Life, Love, and Liberty


    An absolutely horrifying killing in Iran too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjQxq5N–Kc

    Not for the faint of heart. This shows what happens when you fight a dictatorship.

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